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This is very, very good, Sarah. Very clear. Very well written.

My view: it shows the law defines the ambit of free speech well, but the remedies are inadequate.

1. Stonewall and other 'consultants' giving EDI/HR advice need to be directly liable to claimants who suffer discrimination on the basis of their wrong advice: the point in the Bailey appeal. This will force the cowboy consulting industry to take proper legal advice and give advice on what the law is and not what they want it to be, and address the grift.

2. Where a claim involves workplace bullying by colleagues that management fails to discipline (Phoenix, and Stock if she had brought a case) the tribunal ought to be able to step in and enforce discipline those responsible directly, up to and including dismissal.

3. Where management wantonly aims to suppress free speech for ideological reasons like Meade, then in addition to aggravated damages the tribunal should be able to impose direct penalties on the managers personally responsible, up to dismissal and bans from performing or overseeing any HR or personnel matters.

4. Per LGB Alliance, there is a value in having charities represent a range of views in an open society. There is no value in those that actively seek to repress other views through No Debate. Such charities should lose their status.

The corollary of a right to free speech is an obligation on others not to suppress it. These cases show that. But if we are serious about the right we need to be more serious above the obligations too.

The obverse of Forstater is gender ideology's childish belief in gendered souls is worthy or respect or at least protecting in an Open Society. That is what free speech means. But the bit of the ideology that holds non-belief in its dogmas is hate speech and bigotry that needs to be suppressed is not worthy of respect at all. In fact as the cases show it is illegal already. We just need to get tougher.

Thanks again. Well said. Have we won the war? A natural pessimist, I will believe it when it happens.

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No comment just yet! Basking in relief and enjoying a moment of reality!

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